15 July 2025
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Conor Friedersdorf (The Atlantic, Meeting Triumph and Disaster) and Freddie deBoer (The ANOVA, Brooklyn College)
On Friedersdorf, Conor and Freddie kick things off by discussing the declining share of national income that accrues to labor. Should we fear or welcome a future where automation and artificial intelligence replace much of the work done by humans? They discuss Chris Hayes’s recent book, Twilight of the Elites. How responsible are you for your outcome in life? Conor and Freddie debate the idea of “workplace liberty,” and who should decide when an employee gets a bathroom break. Conor asks Freddie whether he sees a conflict between the goals of liberalizing immigration and minimizing inequality. They conclude by arguing that liberals have failed to adequately challenge the errors of the Obama administration.
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Conor Friedersdorf
Freddie deBoer
Paul Krugman on “The Rise of the Robots”
Conor Sen’s piece, “The Post-Employee Economy”
Chris Hayes’s book, “Twilight of the Elites”
Freddie’s review of the book
Conor’s review of the book
Chris Bertram of Crooked Timber on “fuck me or you’re fired”
Congressional testimony refuting the idea of a STEM shortage
Rutgers study on the state of the STEM job market (PDF)
Vivek Wadhwa’s piece, “Mr. President, there is no engineer shortage”
Trends in college majors, 1970-2010
Conor on Ted Cruz
Bob Wright’s farewell post at The Atlantic
Conor on 60 Minutes interview with Obama and Clinton
Paul Krugman on reported Fiscal Cliff deal
Friedersdorf | Jan 31, 2013 | Conor Friedersdorf & Freddie deBoer
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