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Will Wilkinson (Niskanen Center, Vox, The Fly Bottle) and Matthew Quirk (matthewquirk.com, The Directive)

Robert Wright speaks with Rutger Bregman, author of the new book Humankind: A Hopeful History.

Robert Gressis speaks with Douglas Edwards, author of the new book Philosophy Smackdown, about the different layers of reality in professional wrestling.

Glenn Loury and John McWhorter consider Woodrow Wilson, Robert E. Lee, and John C. Calhoun.

Robert Wright and Mickey Kaus speculate on what could happen after Ghislaine Maxwell’s arrest.

Nikita Petrov explains the strange phenomenon to John Horgan.

Bill Scher critiques the current conservation about Wilson and race.

Kat Rosenfield and Phoebe Maltz Bovy speak with Leigh Stein, author of the new satirical novel Self Care, about anti-racism as self-improvement.

Robert Wright speaks with Sarah Posner, author of the new book Unholy: Why White Evangelicals Worship at the Altar of Donald Trump, who argues that race was more important than abortion in bringing evangelicals into politics.

Glenn Loury speaks with historian David Kaiser about the central claims of the 1619 Project.

Robert Wright and Mickey Kaus consider.

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