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Mike Konczal (Rortybomb, Roosevelt Institute) and David Frum (The Atlantic, Trumpocracy)
On Fireside Chats, Mike talks to David Frum about his new novel, Patriots. They discuss how American political culture has changed since the 1990s, and how immigration in particular has changed America. Would a Mitt Romney presidency incorporate Paul Ryan’s conservative budget? They question whether the Tea Party has been successful, as well as why Democrats have an easier time governing during economic expansion. Why have conservative economic policies moved so far to the right? Mike and David conclude by talking about David’s first book, Dead Right, and how his conservatism has changed since the book was published almost two decades ago.
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Mike Konczal
David Frum
David’s novel “Patriots”
Thomas Piketty’s article “On the Long-Run Evolution of Inheritance: France 1820-2050” (PDF)
Jonathan Karl’s interview with Paul Ryan on ABC
David’s article on the Goldwater myth
Rick Perlstein’s book on Goldwater, “Before the Storm”
David’s book “Dead Right”
Yuval Levin’s article “Beyond the Welfare State”
David’s post “Two Cheers for the Welfare State”
Thomas Edsall’s book, “The Age of Austerity”
Fireside Chats | May 25, 2012 | Mike Konczal & David Frum
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