17 November 2025
Jillian C. York (Electronic Frontier Foundation, JillianCYork.com) and Katherine Maher (Wikimedia Foundation)
On the debut episode of Interrobang‽, Jillian and Katherine discuss how the government shutdown is affecting national security, especially in airports. Are we witnessing the end of the nation-state in the Middle East? Why is the emerging culture of tech intellectuals so dominated by white men? How did Brazil become the front line of resistance to NSA surveillance? And why is it so hard to mobilize the American public on this issue? Plus: Glenn Greenwald‘s big news.
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Jillian C. York
Katherine Maher
EFF blog post on how the shutdown is affecting NSA accountability
Parag Khanna’s NYT column on the end of the nation-state
Dan Drezner’s critique of Khanna’s piece
The NYT breaks up the Middle East
Victor Argo’s “no-state solution”
Henry Farrell on tech intellectuals
Clay Shirky’s “rant about women”
Interrobang‽ | Oct 16, 2013 | Jillian C. York & Katherine Maher
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