RE: Ms. Torres If she is not doping, then it clearly isn't fair to presume that she is. But, intellectual honesty requires, as both guests suggest/say, that we believe that she is probably doping. Obviously, this presumption shouldn't impact her treatment as an athlete, but it does mean that when I hear that a 41 y.o. woman has broken records in an olympic competition that I don't chastise myself or try to correct my initial response that she is probably doping. That is, my initial gut-response is fully justified by the available evidence and that the available evidence is ample. Speaking for myself, I have a consistent policy of this. A few years ago, when Barry Bonds was much in the news, I remember telling friends that Roger Clemens is the pitching version of Bonds and that his numbers were so aberrant that he was almost certainly juicing just as Bonds had. Of course, evidence has since surfaced (of greater or lesser reliability) which has helped bring this issue to the fore. In any event, the fact that Clemens put up such great numbers as a 40+ y.o., figures prominently, and should figure prominently our evaluation.