bjkeefe wrote on 01/17/2010 at 11:16 AM
Re: Google Vs. China (Evgeny Morozov & Siva Vaidhyanathan)
I'll second Balt's thanks to Evgeny and Siva, and also thank the Bh.tv booker who arranged for this diavlog in such a timely manner.
While I found this conversation overwhelmingly helpful, I would raise just one minor quibble about the unceasing cynicism E&S directed at Google. Perhaps I am naive, perhaps I just would like to believe in the concept of a company that truly tries to live up to the
Don't be evil mantra, and I am willing to concede a lot of that. However, I don't think it is fair to say, without any evidence, that Google
only cares about finding a face-saving way out of its situation in China, or that they
only care about about how much money they can make, or that they
only talk about free speech to get the attention of Sec. Clinton, or that they
only think about how to deal with the world in terms of algorithms that can be typed in from the comfort of their cubicles. In addition to being a corporate entity that is now large enough to be infected with suits, Google is also a large collection of very smart
bjkeefe wrote on 01/17/2010 at 11:48 AM
Some links
Quoting bjkeefe: I think Google deserves at least a little benefit of the doubt.
Following up on this, some of you might be interested in watching the interview David Drummond (Google's SVP, Corporate Development and Chief Legal Officer) did soon after the news broke. You'll have to put up with Shouty Kudlow, but
it's worth it, IMO.
Also note the diavlog's sidebar link to Drummond's blog post, repeated
here.
Also, I can't help but have this line keep running through my mind, ever since I read
the article:
“How am I going to live without Google?” asked Wang Yuanyuan, a 29-year-old businessman, as he left a convenience store in Beijing’s business district.
It's worth remembering that revolutions are rarely led by peasants bearing pitchforks and torches. It is "the elites" who most often force change, even in totalitarian societies. I'm not betting on an actual revolution in China, mind, nor do I think I even want one, but a good push in the right direction would be nice to see.
JonIrenicus wrote on 01/19/2010 at 04:25 AM
Re: Google Vs. China (Evgeny Morozov & Siva Vaidhyanathan)
Just watched this, but the idea that what got google so pissed off recently was the affront to free speech seems like nonsense to me. If they were so concerned they would not have waded in there in the first place.
This was about calling the chinese government out for their wanton attacks on security. Maybe to try to shame them on the world stage into behaving better.