On a special in-person edition of The Glenn Show, Glenn and Bruce enjoy some libations while discussing crime and punishment. How did America become such an outlier on imprisonment? Is race the answer? Bruce argues that poverty, not profiling, is key. They examine what exactly race is, with reference to poor whites in Boston, the Roma, and Pulp Fiction. Bruce argues that in the case of most urban crime, what’s violent isn’t the person, it’s the situation—and that the “tough on crime” movement just doesn’t get it. They close by casting a critical eye on the criminology work of Mark Kleiman and the NYPD’s “stop and frisk” policing.