On The DMZ: By embracing radical tactics, is the GOP in danger of losing young Christians? Bill argues that conservatives are misreading Saul Alinsky, and Matt warns that the right is becoming too obsessed with the soul-crushing aspect of politics. Turning to the government shutdown, Matt accuses Obama of taking an indefensible position by refusing to negotiate, but Bill retorts that the president must hold the line to neutralize the Tea Party. Would Boehner allow a debt default? Bill uses an anecdote about the co-ed dorm showers at Oberlin to elucidate Obama’s position. Plus: How will history judge Obama’s legacy?